I have Bryce 5, without the beta patch. Since it has not been officially released, I don't trust it. Besides, when I tried to apply it, it said that it couldn't find a legal English retail version. I also have Poser 4 Pro Pack with the Service Pack 3 patch. I don't have a problem with textures or any non-Poser obj. I can't render much in Poser since my computer can't handle more than one or two characters at a time and that is a real pain to composite everything together. Besides, I'm a Brycaholic and wouldn't have Poser if it weren't for Bryce. I'd rather do all my rendering in Bryce. -darlisa