Apparently it si somehow wrong to suggest that business might be better for them if they take a little time to improve the site design and navigation. Im sure by now theyre more than aware of this. It gets mentioned with about the same regularity as complaints about the Hot 20. Perhaps its out of Steve and Renas hands. Who knows? But more to the point, who cares? Its still good work, and, as I pointed out earlier, if navigating the site is so much work (and sorry, but I dont think it is), then bookmark the two freebie pages and leave the rest of it alone. I mean, good christ, I once wrote in C&D how annoyed I was with people posting freestuff that required tracking down a half dozen supplemental-but-needed files, some of which were no longer available. That, to me, is far more egregious than a bunch of stupid banners, but you should have seen the reaction I got when I voiced this complaint. People apparently dont mind hunting all over Poser creation for files needed to use a certain character, but theyre going to get all bent out of shape over having to deal with a couple of banner ads??? Is this supposed to make sense somehow, people? I'll bite on the restaurant analogy. If I go into someplace and find that the wallpaper is pealing, they haven't bothered to fix the lights and the toilet is a mess... the chairs are broke and the floor is dirty I don't think I really care how good the food tastes... the odds are that anyone who would allow their business to deteriorate like that and think it is "good enough" is probably cutting corners with the food too. If that were the case, Id probably agree with you, but in this case, it was simply that it was a more or less typical 60s diner: neon lights on the ceiling, old lino on the floor. Clean, but nothing that looked like what a "real" French restaurant should look like. But I suppose some people arent comfortable unless theres an insulting maitre d' at the door and a tempermental chef in the kitchen... =) The bottom line, gang, is a really simple one. Youve seen enough examples of PW around here to know that the quality is going to be first rate. Youve heard dozens and dozens of testimonials from people who have concurred that its first rate. If youre gonna be put off by a few stupid banner ads, then maybe PW just isnt for you in the first place.