Yes, it is clear the people who are holding out are not really concerned about the quality of the subscription site. Those concerns have been addressed, and quite well. It is clear that those who still hold out never had any intention of subscribing, no matter what anyone says or does. I think it is important that we realize this fact, and let this thread die. Poserworld is without a doubt the best site I've found, and I see no reason to subscribe to any other site or service. The overwhelming majority of responses to this and other threads say the same. That is the fact, and it won't change.