Do you have any idea how much time and effort it takes to redo an entire web site?! Steve and Rena devote their time and energy to making an excellent product, and keeping the subscription area in great shape. They even do modifications after legitimate requests. This whole thread started with one person who thought about subscribing to Poserworld. She was putoff by the look of the free section, and expressed her concerns. We did everything in our power to put her at ease, and persuade her to join. If I recall, she decided against it anyway. She just couldn't get past that initial problem. I rarely visit the freebie section any more. Who needs to?! The whole concept of forums such as the Renderosity forums is for people to come to get information, give information, and learn, help each other. We quickly learn whom we can trust for information and advice, and we enrich ourselves with the wealth of knowledge we gain here. It really hurts in this case that someone asked for our knowledge and experience and decided it wasn't good enough. There is nothing wrong with Poserworld or the way they do business. Their is something wrong with obstinate stubborness, and people who are fixated on problems that are irrelevant. We try our best to help them see the light. Then eventually we move on to more worthwhile pursuits. I will do that now. I have plenty more important things to do than beg the horse to drink water when he is standing right by the water, and thirsty too.