"Its still good work, and, as I pointed out earlier, if navigating the site is so much work (and sorry, but I dont think it is), then bookmark the two freebie pages and leave the rest of it alone."

My point here was never that I had trouble getting to the "freebies" - the topic was the relationship between the look/feel of the preview area and the desire to subscribe.

Currently my main wonder here is why any suggestion of improvement is met with such hostility.

"Poser creation for files needed to use a certain character, but theyre going to get all bent out of shape over having to deal with a couple of banner ads??? Is this supposed to make sense somehow, people?"

I can only speak for myself but I don't track down those files, and I do consider it to be bad form when I have to. One of the reasons I will happily pay for something is to get the attention to detail that sometimes only comes with money. Yes, of course many free items are outstanding and well packaged... but those that are not I ignore.

So you aren't seeing any inconsistency from me.

"If that were the case, Id probably agree with you, but in this case, it was simply that it was a more or less typical 60s diner: neon lights on the ceiling, old lino on the floor."

I am happy to allow that this might be a perception thing.

Since I work with designers (as well as doing design myself) every day, and working on and with programmers I have fairly high standards for what I consider acceptable. To be fair to Poserworld most of the sites on the net are much, much worse but that still doesn't change that especially when money is involved I sort of expect a little more from a site.

No doubt to me the design is a much more jarring problem than for a non professional.

"Youve seen enough examples of PW around here to know that the quality is going to be first rate."

I agree that their examples have been a good indicator. Unfortunately, none of the things they have shown have looked like something I have a use for. I would heartily recommend them to someone who was doing personal work, and maybe something someone who needs professional parts should try if they needed a starting point.

And that is why I am on the cusp To be honest I am extremely picky about how clothing looks... probably too picky for the current state of the art of Poser itself. I am fairly sure I will not use 99% of what I fid there but I might try it anyway for that 1% but I keep looking at it and going... nah.

"Yes, it is clear the people who are holding out are not really concerned about the quality of the subscription site."

I am not "holding out" for anything at all. I made a suggestion, and am happy to discuss why I think the suggestion is valid. BTW - double checking the site just now it looks better than it used to, so that helps :)

"The whole concept of forums such as the Renderosity forums is for people to come to get information, give information, and learn, help each other."

And it was in that spirit I made the suggestion. I was trying to impart some information and experience from a professional career dealing with selling on the web. There was noting evil or malicious in my intent.

"Their is something wrong with obstinate stubborness, and people who are fixated on problems that are irrelevant."

Or someone who continues to insist that a relevant problem is of no importance?

"Do you have any idea how much time and effort it takes to redo an entire web site?!"

Yes, I do. I also know that there are many, many ways to make the job much easier. If anyone had asked for that information instead of attacking any opinion that dared suggest there might be room for improvement I would have been happy to share - and still am.

I know that these are busy people - and I know that they are trying to run a business. I was suggesting a way they could improve the business itself.

The short form for a site like Poserworld is this:

• Use Dreamweaver
• Use the Templates feature in DreamWeaver
• Pay someone if need be to do a good, clean, fast design
• Move to an alternative (and better for everyone) method of selling advertising space

That alone would probably significantly decrease the effort needed and add new customers. For extra credit:

• Use back end code to allow additional items to be added through a database, rather than maintain it by hand. Bonus points if you move to ASP.NET because of the huge speed increases and the ease of integrating the code with the site for non-programmers.
• If you're using a back end system anyway, add code to track the downloads so you know how popular an item is.
• Keyword the items so that they are searchable.

Ah well. The point is that I was trying to help and make some suggestions that I think would help these very busy people understand some client issues and make some more money. Unfortunately most of what I have gotten back for it is insulting commentary.

Fortunately, none of it from the folks at Poswerworld... so maybe they might still think the information we tried to present has value.