Thanks all, I have a few more avenues to try now, unfortunately mamma bear (CINC Household) says I have to come out of the cave now and be social with the inlaws. I'll work on this some more tomorrow. Markdc- New PInstall doesn't choke anymore, thank you yggdrasil-I'm working on a PC, so maybe it is the Mac folder (sad shrug), I tried the unzip to temp directory and copying over, unfortunately it didn't work Jaager- Your system sounds easy once you know what you're doing, one day I'll be there :) Sharen- Thanks for the time and effort, I'll lick it yet Down, but not out. Thanks again all jbear