Alpha, my respect for you grows more every day. Tolerance is a good thing to practice. BTW, who actually has time to go to the C & D forum?? I mean there is so much to see at Renderosity, and when I'm not doing that, I like hanging out here, with good friends. I'm glad we have a forum such as this where we can actually learn things. I think the renderosity community is, on the whole ok, I KNOW the photography forum is, because this thread and the issues and resolutions offered sort of prove it, to me, anyway! Stay happy all! :-)>