To Wayneout and Larry you appear to be looking at the wrong issue of the magazine and this may have to do with the later arrivals of the magazine in the States and Canada. Computer Arts publish the Computer Arts Magazine and they also occasionally publish Computer Arts Specials. To make it more confusing they also publish extra issues of their regular Computer Arts Magazine. To hopefully explain: 1. The Current issue of the normal Computer Arts magazine is issue 38 (December 99) and has a Byrce render with a female model on the cover. On page 67 it lists a Truespace4 demo. As far a I can determine this is not on the CD and was not what I was posting about. 2. In addition to issue 38 (December) they have also just published issue 39 (Winter 99)of the Computer Arts Magazine which is in addition to the normal 12 calender month issues. This also is not the one my post was about. 3. I was talking about the SPECIALS which Computer Arts publish from time to time. The current one (no.6) contains the full version of Truespace3/SE. If you go to the 3D Applications Forum and my post of 12/17/99 you can see a pic of the mag's cover. Truespace3/SE is definatly on this one's CD as well as a Demo of Truespace4. I hope this clears up everything