I couldn't agree with you more, Mark, and it pains me to see that even E-on Software desribes Vue 4 as a "Landscape Generator", on their website: "A landscape generator with incredible specs and unequaled render quality at an affordable price! Includes SolidGrowth, our ultra-realistic vegetation synthesis and rendering technology." That description by all means undercuts Vue's abilities. I tried like hell to get E-on to change it... True, it's landscape tools are unequalled, and are an enormous part of it's attraction, but as we all know, it's far more than just that, and the very fact that it's very capable of rendering ANYTHING ought to be actively pursued as a selling point. :)