Yeah, that white one is simply choked with ambient light. yechhh. I understand the reasoning for ambient lighting, and it's natural that it exists, but it's a poor substitute for radiosity, which I think it's trying to mimic. I see some of those Cinema 4D and Lightwave renders, with radiosity, and I have to think, "Hmmm...if only E-on were to..." Ahh, but then again, they don't have the skies and the Solid Growth. ;) But, a Vue (5?) with true radiosity would be amazing!