Ouch. Good points, Andrew. (seriously, Andrew; the tone of my post is totally a flight of sarcastic wit, on my part -- I sat for, like, twenty minutes LAUGHING.. typing.. backspacing.. typing.. laughing. I get such a kick out this forum.) Hey -- what you're talking about has been on my mind alot lately. As I've been getting steadily more serious about photography over the last couple of years (only), I'm realizing what you're talking about. In only the last couple MONTHS I've read about some of the great master printmakers. I'm serious; I about get choked up when I look at "Portrait of a Boy" by Jean-Louis Swiners, or "My Father" by Imogen Cunningham, or "Scanno" by Mario Giacomelli. Masters! If you know about B&W taking or darkroom techniques, I'll be appreciating some conversation with you. (gotta run, I'll talk to ya soon) Joe