Somehow, that sounds like a load of ____________. Poser 5 would be a nice thing, however I take the same view as rwilliams. It would be nice for it to come but I doubt it really ever will, CL now seems full steam ahead with avatar lab and being compatable with adobe's atmosphere. I tried the demo and was impressed but not enought to continues using it or buying it. Mega-super-cool-uber chat is not what I want from 3d. So I would say, get pro pack for that is as close as poser5 is ever going to coem to being reality.