I just don't understand people saying they doubt Poser 5 will ever come out. To me that sounds more like a "sour grapes" type of statement than a logical well thought out thing to say. Curious Labs bread and butter IS POSER. Most if not all their resources are geared to that one product. It takes A LOT of time to develop a FULL version release. Patience! Unless you have some sort of inside information from Curious Labs, I suggest you hold off on all the doomsday talk. You can bet your 3D Virtual Farm that Poser 5 will be released and it is going to be great!