thank you...now i have to get the programs..i love 3d well...3d anything and i am not too good but i have big ideas and try to go big instead of simple..thats my problem..for instance i would like a 3d model of the yf 21 from macross plus or even a suit sort of like teknoman..jump in the back and it forms around you..the sad thing is that it does take time and i love to invest the time if i stop getting sidetracked..like i said...soon i will post pics...like the one i did for the swords post above..i had too much coffee that day..put the good thing is that people help out alot around here and i am always thankful..just as long as i dont upset anyone..