Ummmm....not to bum out those who thrive on negativity, but this thread has in fact been seen by someone at CL (nosfiratu). You'll note that he took a "no comment" stance, but this does not surprise me as most software developers don't go around broadcasting their business plans and trade secrets on the internet (at least, not if they're smart). Moreover, as Little Dragon points out, kupa (and you just don't get more CL than kupa) has dropped a few hints here about P5 in the past. Could they come up with a neat screen shot for us? Sure, but would this accomplish anything other than a ratcheting up of complaints about P5 not being ready yet? Frankly, I applaud any software company that actually does things other than hype their vaporware. What is CL doing? Well, as this thread and others show, after rescuing Poser and hooking up with the Germans, they did ProPack...and I expect that that experience will pay off for P5. And AvatarLab. (start your own company, get backing and code 2 products in how long a period of time? You try it!) And slowly, but surely, P5. And if they take their time, maybe P5 won't need a patch. BTW, in anticipation of cynics, not only am I not affiliated with CL, I do not know anyone who works there, have never spoken with anyone there, never had e-mail with anyone there, and, to the best of my recollection have never directly addressed CL folk in this forum (but I haven't used the search function to verify that because R'osity has been slower than Uncle Joe for me the last 2 days). I just thought I'd volunteer some defense and let CL keep coding.