Not sure if modelling is exactly the right place, but I'm finding modelling the mesh is the (relatively) easy bit. Getting the sucker to work in Poser is the bit that drives me nuts. Joint parameters and all that. I know there are tutorials out there on this, but to be honest they don't really help. I find myself thinking things like: "I know you say that but why doesn't it !!! work!" Which of course means I didn't really get it in the first place. Now I only have Poser3 and I don't have ProPack, since P3 is being given away again on cover disk, there's probably going to be a fair few folk wanting to know how to make their own Poser characters/things who are starting from scratch. Just a thought. BTW I think forum traffic is slow cos a lot of stuff that could be here or in character creators ends up on the Poser forum. This of course is because that forum is busier. Its a kind of self determining thingy....mumble mumble.. I'll shut up now.