Ah, but remember...I made my own preset, saved it, and set up a shortcut to it on my desktop and dragged it into my toolbar. I don't even HAVE a shortcut to Vue4.exe on my desktop. :P So, I don't ever have to start a "new" scene, either, since my Vue4startup.vue scene is always near the top of my recent files list. But yeah, I'm sure it started as a preset and was stripped down later. So, ya got me on that one..... I'll get you back though, bloodsong, mark my words. ;)