I see. I think I understand. I'll have to play around with this. Sounds tedious as hell but would be worth it in the end. Yeh, Hidden 1 should work but yer right. Damn. There are some custom morphs that I created for my char and wished to hide them but the hidden 1 just isn't happening. I believe at one time it did. I can't remember , but I think about a year ago I somehow hid a dial, but can't remember what vers of poser I was using. Oh well. Always more than one way to skin a vicky. :) ---Keihan