Kate, Nothing wrong with Vue users posting their work here!!! I found Bongo's post because I was trying to lern more about Vue d'Esprit. BTW it looks a great software, multithreaded and all. Pitty it seams to lack 3D clouds & fogs, but I saw some quite amazing images at Vue's gallery. I just find Bongo too intense is his "Holy Quest" to convince us all, something like: Hey guys! there is life after death (MC's?), alliens are everywere and Elvis is alive! That's why I posted that message as a joke, to protect the pure brycean souls from the sad true that may exist a better and cheaper application around :-) Nandus