Hey! You Lot! Thanks to all of you. I really do mean it - there is much goodness in the folk at Renderosity. It's a shame about the book but I e-mailed e-on the other day and a chap there said there would be one 'soon'. How soon 'soon' is is unknown but will I need it then. This place is brilliant for tuts and stuff and I went ot the forum annex aerlier today [should have been working ;D] and there is some really useful stuff in there. To Guitta and Varian - I looked at your places too - all I wanna say is - Bloody Superb. Anyway I am rambling now so.........I'll be off . Hope to post some images in the next few days. How do Guitta and Varian make so many Quality pics? That's what i want to know!!!! ;-)