hey wyrwulf, becoming a bit more active in the forums lately... quit smoking so have more time heheheh yeah, I figured that was the problem, that the folder was so far downin the list it wouldnt open.... I got rid of a bunch, and now need to scrunch up even more... have a few folders with one file in them.... right now cleaning up chracters.... not getting rid of all, just the ones I never use.... I hardly even use the p4 woman anymore, but if I do it is one of 5-10 figures... I have 50 female characters in the folder :) so a little pruning is in order D