Bob - Just so you know, my friend is a professional illustrator who had done work for George Lucas and Steven Speilberg, check out: www.tlstudio.com She uses regular paints and brushes, air brush and her totally kics-ass Mac with a stylus pad?. She's been doing a lot of stuff on her computer. I can't do on paper or canvas even an iota of what I've been able to accomplish using Bryce and Poser. I'm not nearly as good as the folks here, yet, but I don't belittle them because of it. I will give you credit though, you had the guts to admit you were wrong and you apologized. That, IMO, goes a long way. Computers are now being used for a great many things. Toy Story comes to mind as well as Shrek, Monsters, Inc and Final Fantasy - a visually stunning film. Granted, they are not using Poser and Bryce, but this is what many of us can afford and use to learn on. I've seen some amazing stuff done with Lightwave, 3DS and Maya. So, join the fun and see where it can take you. Welcome aboard!