yeah thanks Quikp51, I had seen that one and grabbed the tutorial on that a while back... very good for learning - but when I started doing custom textures I found it hard to do the textures so they would fit... My new issue is how to make custom textures - finding it VERY VERY hard to draw things using a bloody mouse :) But I'm getting the hang of it - Not posting anymore "complete" pictures to the forum until I have the textures learnt... don't really wannt use what others have made.... tracy