This is a teriffic Holiday Gift, Thank you Larry. It makes me happy to know that even with MetaCreation jumping headfirst into a possible E-Commerce disaster, at least its creator still cares about Poser and its users. Since purchasing poser 1 1n 1996, I have bought every upgrade, in fact this year I purchased both version 3 and 4, as well as Bryce 4, Ray Dream Studio and Carrara. I dont think ridding themselves of products that sell is a wise course of action for MetaCreations, But it was extremely nice of Larry to post the Patch even when Meta would not Thanks again