I would appreciate instant availability AND both versions and a tutorial in Bryce 5.0. I am not exactly a newbie, but I am not fully and totally experienced in all that Bryce has to offer. Its power still lies there waiting for someone to open up its full potential. Example 1: Water: One water plane is usually sufficient. Suggestion: try using three!! one for the deepest, one for middle depth and one for surface ( transparent or reflective) Caution: It DOES take more time to render Result: No one can touch your water's. Comment: I didn't believe anything could come of this until I tried it seperately and then again in a simple rendered scene. I was amazed and excited. If the scene is worth your effort and time then the render puts it in the gallery as an effort for all to try or at least admire. Hint: try using snow as the terrain for your tropical coral waters and transparent and reflective water above. Instant coral waters!!! Example 2: Leaves: We choose the tree, its bark, its gravity and its randomness. We don't choose to texturize the leaves. It takes away the blank all one color un-natural look. This process even works for the trunk of the tree; as in Sycamore, try a rock setting and see what you can come up with. Comment: I liked my results, but I found I need or want more. So, for me Adam, its defintely a learning and using process. I look forward to your consideration based on your experience and professional usage of Bryce!! my best always, Lightpen