This how the model is rendered in POSER and VUE. It's exactly the same character, the only difference is the materials used for the armor. I don't even recognize the model !!! VARIAN : I have the update patch... SITTINGBLUE : I'll check the topic, thanks. GUITTA : you are doing it "perfectly" compared to me... SHAREN : the costumes are mixtures of various clothing figures and props I found (free) on the internet : Lourdes Mercato (www.cg-fantasy.com) AwfullSoul (www.aerysense.com) John Malis (www.3dcc.com/posergamers) Charles Taylor (www.nerd3D.net) Joat Mom (http://home.att.net/~pmorris57/) and the poser free stuff section here at renderosity. Eric