I use P6 and like it for textures. You can do most anything with the layers. I have not figured out clone yet. The cloner in Picture Publisher 8 is so easy to use, I just switch to it. PP8 also has a smear and distort function that I cannot find on P6. P6 is is not as easy to do minor smudging with. So PP8 is easier for me to do touch ups of renders, but the layers on PP8 - not vary strong. I can do minor nudging in PP8 and the brushes with names that I think should do the same thing, go wild instead. kieraw - is there a quick and dirty description of how to convert PS tubes to P6 nozzels? (without you should have PS.)