litst From what I can gather Eric Wenger wrote the code for Bryce prior to 1988 and the first Bryce Camp was in 1989. AtariSt & Amiga were great systems but lost the market to the MAC. Bryce was MAC only at that time & that's why I believe Bryce was the first mass-market 3D app. That's all neither here nor there. My point is that this should be a good move for Eovia & U&I. According to Eric he still owns the source code to Bryce and has vowed to "eventually publish a version through U&I". Info from Eric Wenger (12/17/99)is here: http://www.halcyon.com/alrives/brycetips/messageboards/cafe/messages/939.html Is see that Eric is from Paris, France also. What's with the French & 3d?