JeffH- I'll do that, but do you really think there is a chance they will be fixed? I was posting this more as an aid to the people that are using the patch. Incidently, I checked, it seems to affect (effect?)all the figures (well, I actually only checked the casual male). Resaving the figure with IK off doesn't help either, it is on when you open it again, I'm pretty sure. I did save a figure composed of 4 figures (that is, a body, a hair figure and two clothing figures), it made it into Bryce with all the texture maps still in place (not the transparency ones, of course), something that it would never do without the patch.