Yeah, it seems that the order is just as vital as count. But... But there has GOT to be a way to do this. If I can figure it out exactly, order, count. There should be a way to pull it off. Here's my thinking: A utility that compares the meshes. Old object, New object, and MT. First it will figure the diffrenct between the new and old mesh. Then take that diffrence and apply it directly to the MT. The result should result in a MT to work on the new mesh. This theory is what led me to think the OBJ mover could do it. In fact if my theory is right the Mover may be tweaked to do the job. HELLO MAZ! are you listening? or anybody with a comprehensive understanding of the OBJ file format and the way MTs work. nerd