I gave up on the middle leg idea, I got it to work about halfway but it still had problems. I had given up on morphs a long time ago, but I revist them every so often, hoping for some inspiration. Like Steve says, life is just too short to get this working properly. The bottom line is the sheath dress in the Vickie Essentials will have two versions, a standing one and a sitting one, same mesh, different CR2s. The sitting skirt actually uses the middle leg part, so I did get something out of the exersise. I also hooked it up with ERC - Joint controled joint in this case, with the bend set to 1/2 that of each thigh, so if Vickie bends both legs the same amount everything comes out right, saves a little time anyway, but you still have to manually adjust it. With some extra morphs she can just about sit cross-leg, too, which is the real test! Anyway, as a lot of you guys already know, the last joint of a figure doesn't have to have real mesh, it can be virtual- that is how I get away with the same OBJ, one has the regular lThigh and rThigh, the other has mThigh, but all thighs are virtual. The onlty disadvantage is you have to pick that part from the pull-down menu, not off the figure.