Oh, definitely, Steve and Rena are the greatest! All the clothing models are originals created by Steve and textured by Rena. You don't require the DAZ clothing packs to use them. Steve creates them from scratch and does a wonderful job. And Rena is the queen of textures. You would do yourself a favor by joining. It'll expand your Vicki and Mike (as well as the P4 man and woman) wardrobes. Melanie