I'm getting to this discussion a bit late, but I am responsible for the original post on C&D, so of course I'm a proponent of such a forum. My original intent was to talk to others that might be interested in discussing impressionistic styles in digital art. Any place I can chat about that will be fine for me. I'm not interested in render wars, my app is better than your app, nor application specific information although applications that can help with an effect would be useful. doug