Cal, you do excellent work. When you posted that you were deleting the first page to make room for new props, I downloaded them all. I haven't done anything with them yet, but... pdblake and Freon, this link has been posted at least twice in the 3D links Forum. Take a look in there. Lots of goodies. http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12353&Form.ShowMessage=42100 http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12353&Form.ShowMessage=37520