Interesting nathany. In Vue 3 (and even 4 sometimes) every now and then I had the problem of it dropping all the way to the ground things that were grouped, but they didn't ned to be boolean objects--just grouped objects. But it was pretty rare to have it happen. I'm sory to hear about your problems too, roadtoad, but at least I can tell you that the 4.03 patch (Full Update) on the E-on site took away most of the problems in 4.02. I just ended up reverting to before the 4.05 patch. While I don't have the problem Guitta had with not being able to even open Vue, it's still unusable if it can't import objects, open files in the ediors, or grow trees with leaves on them. ;) OK, I'm ready for 4.05beta2....