thats a good idea! i'm going to try that (tilt her head down and have her look up) i'm off to try to find schabblers hand poses, thanks for the heads up. the eyes are very pretty and i did not have to do anything to them. they are mira's eyes, and her textures, by angielyn. she was for vicky and vicky 2. but i was amazed she took pre-teen and even pre-school geos so good. the hair is a mask from software i purchased called "Seventeen Style Studio Deluxe" and textured painted in photo brush with a few different brushes and smudging to blend in and sharpening the braids. I think the program was 19.99. The good thing is that it lets me import an image as big as 1000x1000 into it. i like it allot. the poser pig tails just wouldnt work for her:-(