This may be slightly off subject, but then again maybe not. I e-mailed Larry and got a response to some of my questions regarding additions and such. He said that a Poser -Bryce thing was almost ready but he is still waiting for the Bryce people to finish it. And he said that they will be releasing a SDK for creating plugin apps (they created it primarily so the Bryce team could work up an export filter). Apparetnly there is quite a bit they are working on. And Larry DOES send replys back. I have recieved two replys to my questions. He seems to be going out of his way to be nice, so if you have any problems at all, give him an e-mail. He WILL reply. He said that Ghost Effects is the primary support for the P4 Patch and Poser until it gets picked up by some other company. Nick