Let's see, where to begin?... Philip Staiger (Carrara evangelist) indicated on a post at the Yahoo Carrara List that current movie renders from Rust Boy were being done in Carrara. I'm not completely sure that is true in all cases though. The Carrara Renderer may be from InfiniD but it is a much faster version. By comparison on identitical files I've found it to be 5 times faster than Raydream and others have indicated that it is faster than the InfiniD renderer too. The Thinkfish software was absorbed by Metacreations/Viewpoint. I used to be a software capability that Viewpoint sold but has now languished. Toon by Eric Winemiller at DigitalCarversGuild.com works very well as a replacement though. AFX elected not to support Carrara because they were abused and misled by Metacreations I believe. Until Carrara is considered to be more of a serious contender with Version 2, I don't know if AFX will repurpose any of their capabilities. Furrific and it's Tip Objects is an outstanding plug-in so I hope it becomes a Carrara contender again. I still use Raydream, but only for the AFX plug-in. Everything works better and faster in Carrara. That's all I know... Mark Bremmer www.markbremmer.com