(Heh - if THAT title doesn't get it moved to C&D... :) Yeah IB, I noticed that too. A lot of the gaming forums have either died, went underground (like the WF forum I still hang out in), or have gotten so dog-slow that it isn't worth the bother. Also, I have gotten WAY burned-out on FPS gaming... building maps and models for 'em was fun, but it seems to me like the Doom generation has had it's day. I played a little WFAlast night, but even it has gone downhill in my estimation, and most players are more interested in laming a server than in playing the game itself. Lord knows it's not the game itself - the graphics and gameplay alone are mind-blowing. However, it seems as if all the adults have left the game or something... (and no, I don't play EverCrack or CS :) sigh - I dunno; I've been addicted to FPS games since Doom, and the nature of the players has changed immensely... I'm just glad I decided to go into 3D art mroe than gaming these days... /P