I use both Photoshop 4 and Paint Shop pro 6 and both are useful for different things. What worries me is that if the rumours are true and Adobe are a potential buyer of Poser, Bryce and Painter (3d as well) how will the next releases fare. If, as Jim Burton suggests, that Adobe, in order to keep the "hype" going, have succumbed to market trends releasing new versions that should realy only be considered upgrades or additional feature releases (my interpretation of some of what he is saying), how would Metacreation's producs fare under their control? Would the trend of buggy, half-finished "we will fix it later" releases be continued as the norm? Perhaps it is time that the user or customer power - that is a growing element in software development and quality (largely as a result of web forums such as this) - is brought to bear on suppliers and developers. I don't think that any of us have yet realised the power and influnce that user forums such as this can bring to bear on product suppliers. Perhaps it is time we did! Perhaps it is time that we the users make the suppliers more accountable to us the people that spend the money and keep these companies afloat and use our democratic and financial muscle in this. All it requires are are a few e-mails and posts between the various graphic forums on the web. Has anyone yet realised the potential for all of us in this? Just a few thoughts for the Millennium. STORM