Hi Sharen, when you create a CR2 or a PP2 this way, the geometry is embedded in the file, and there is indeed no OBJ. But a MAT file does not contain the geometry, and so is safe. CR2Edit will convert such embedded files to standard files with external OBJ's, creating the OBJ from the embedded info. This is required for brokered sales at DAZ. regards, Dan http://www.zenwareonline.com for CR2Edit, ZenPaint, ZenTile, VueMaster and the complete line of Zenware graphics apps