Suggestion: Jaager had a great lineage of poser figures document. Don't know if he has updated it recently, you'll have to ask. It is in the FAQ for ab3dp. Might be a good starting place or a baseline then you could put out the call for other well known charactors he hasn't included. Also wanted another chance to thank someone publicly for a piece of poser knowledge that helped when I started. His text file made sorting through d/l's less confusing. Thanks Jaager. Only thing I've seen missing from these types of listings or tuts is the common acronyms people use to describe them. SMV? NYM? (I do know those now). I have to go to my tuts binder and jot down new ones constently. Thought I left the crazy world of acronyms when I retired from DoD :). jbear