Like I said.........DO IT YOURSELF. LABS SUCK at black and white. Even when dealing with color it is a matter of finding the lab that sucks the least. Oh yeah, 80%of the b&w films out there probably would not exist if it weren't for good old George Eastman. and bsteph2069....Kodak has played a HUGE part in the development of Black and White as we know it. I strongly disagree with your above statement. but then again that is what makes this thread so fun.