Well, I guess I'll have to get my brain checked...just went to AutoCad site and I don't see it at all...I was going on memeory that led me to believe they came out with a 3D package 2 or 3 years ago. So, hehe, looks like I have egg on my face. (Hey, I got started on that fabulous thread of yours...what is sexy...and took so long to type, I lost my connection...LOL. Too lazy to go back and re-type)