LOL -- Shamms is, Im sure, a really nice guy whos making a better than decent living writing books on things that he would do better to leave to others. His Poser 4 book was a good expansion on the manual, but it wasnt something worth the forty bucks Charles River was asking for it. He seems to think that the best way to teach the program is to exxagerate the hell out of it, so he winds up with the weird characters that he uses to distraction (Hes been using the same ones since Poser 3), odd color combinations, and p***-poor composition. Then he has his "masters" section, where he introduces the work of people far better than he could ever hope, and I can only assume he puts them in so people wont see Poser as just some toy program for making weird distorted characters. Hes also published books on Bryce (stay far, far away from that one -- go to the one by Susan Kitchens, Real World Bryce, instead) and on CGI comic books, which features -- to no small surprise -- weird distorted characters. The man has about as much subtlety as a fifty pound mallet. I suppose we should be grateful to Charles River for at least publishing something on this program, but you cant tell me they dont know anyone else. Note to Ron: bundle up your tutorials and send them a proposal letter! Now!