PC-Yes I agree. I perfer no children to be in ography(porn) and depending upon their age I wish them not to see it. Then there are those living on the farm so to speak. I mean ages ago. Sex was no mysterious thing! Personally I like "average" type people so they don't have to be "siliconed". The lady in the photo I would thing although she is quite good looking is not really special. It's just packaging. Rork-You are going to get me and yourself killed. "the kind of person who got married because he doesn't earn enough to afford a real butler." UH. I was maried cleaning was the furthest thought from my mind. Plus I did a lot of the cleaning. I agree the purpose of the onroP is to satify needs but the purpose of art is to satify a need also. I one less important than the other! I'm sure one is harder to satisfy than the other. "but I really think that it's boring and in no possible way could be a subsitute for the excitement and fun of real life " I agree one is not the same as the other. But you can win them all. I read books to experience something; but I am experiencing it second hand. I've never shot at someone with a rifle I've never been a spy, of a spaceship captain, of famous scientist however I still enjoy the books as I'm sure you do. "Well, the biggest problem with it for me is that women are much, much more charming, intelligent, gracious and compelling than men could ever possibly be, but porn(ografy) doesn't show anything of that.....it just doesn't show any respect to women at all." Well that's the hard part. And if the photographer is GOOD then some of that will come across IMHO. I do disagree with you however I do think it shows respect because it acknoledges ladies HOPEFULLY, as the beautiful people they are. Besides most people ( if not all ) want to be acknoledged as looking good and or sexy. The lady was a photo I had taken a few years ago. It was a photo that I felt comfortable with showing and that I felt that she would feel comfortable with being shown. I always try not to use someone elses work when I post. "if I walk some where and this girl looks at me in particular way, just her eyes can just keep me awake for nights. But maybe I'm just an old fashioned fool :)" I feel the same way but it's smiles. High heels always helps though! Bsteph