heya; heyas is more than one 'heya.' :) jack: i don't understand what you mean that shop and psp use different filters. they use the same filters on the same plug-in architecture, and they do use the same brushes (just a differently named extension.) which is why i thought they should be combined in the first place. :/ hmmm... :: :) now painter i can see having it's own forum, that thing is complicated!