No shit... You'll be telling us next that you'll be supporting graphics cards :) That's some fairly slick stuff, you're obvioulsy looking to steal market share from Maya. Cloth, hair and collision detection, I think the "hype meter" just ticked up a few notches. As for the pirate, it's proably poser4 with a IRC trojan or something. Which would you rather spend your time downloading? If somebody is going to rename it, it's because he wants you to download it... Besides which, if somebody had it, we'd be getting funny questions, and "new" images. This is the 'net's premier poser site, hell even the president of the company is a memeber! :) So if there were a poser5, (legal or otherwise) we'd hear of it first. Steve, I can't wait! :) later jb