Rork, did you give any Fuji's a try? (God, Mike's on his Hobby Horse again.....lol) Seriously, I think companies like Sony have tried to add features that Joe Public might want (sepia effects etc) instead of focussing (ngh!) on what a camera SHOULD do. Give a 4900z (or better a 6900z, though they're the same features) and see what you think. Oh, and yes, it will be some time before they are as good as manualy, even I admit it. (God help me when Stynky reads that) (",)