Glad you like the territory, tuckersaur. :) It's a shame it's not working, but it's been my experience that Steve does listen, and he works his butt off trying to come up with fixes. I know that porting Vue to the Mac was a major exercise in difficulty for them, and with the relative newness of OS X... I'm sure that made it harder. BUT, Steve will listen. he can't always reply quickly, but sometimes he replies immediately. I guess it all depends on the severity, but there have been a couple of times when I had the impression he whipped out a fix for something just specifically for me... like when he sent me a different version of Vue.exe just to fix this incredibly odd Shefflera vegetation problem I was having. It just refused to load, and I have no idea why, but the file he sent me fixed it. Go figure. Anyway, yeah, like Varian said, the volumetric shadows are troublesome, and it really does take a good bit of tweaking to get them to work as you'd like. I have a couple of "happy accident" in my gallery here, but man, that stuff can be a bitch trying to set up sometimes. I really hope Steve can get on these Mac problems. personally, I don't know the Mac at all, and I have no idea what to say when it appears to be a platform-specific problem. I will say though, the few Mac people who have so far come through here, have been very patient, kind and understanding. Thank you. :) Mike